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Does anybody have the details to the first hand TJ doubled through on? I know he had a T and Chris had a 7 and the flop was T-T-7. What were the other hole cards? What was the pre-flop action? Did TJ bet out, all in, on the flop?

Answer 1:

TJ raised 100000 pre-flop and Chris called. After the flop, tj moves all in and Chris beat him into the pot with his chips. TJ has a ten for trips and Chris has a 4 flush. Neither hand improves and TJ doubles up.

Answer 2:

I think Chris raised pre-flop about 80,000 on the button. TJ called the raise with 10-9 and then check-raised the flop which was 10-10-7 all in when Chris bet another 80,000 or so. Chris called and Then turn was a 9 so Chris was drawing dead after the turn.

Answer 3:

Hand six of the duel gave Cloutier a chance. Chris raised it to $75,000 from the SBB, and TJ called. The flop came 10-7-10, as I heard a voice from the Discovery Channel production booth: “Camera Two, give me Jesus.” There’s no business like show business. TJ checked the flop, Chris bet $200,000, and TJ moved all-in. Chris called after a relatively short pause. He had 5s-7s for two pair, and TJ could certainly be making a move. Chris called. TJ turned over 10-9 for a set of tens, and a nine on the turn ended any suspense. TJ now had $900,000 to Chris’s $4,300,000: he was in position to get into position. If he could double though once more, he’d be close enough to take over the lead with another double.

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I’ve been thinking about how to handle a bankroll a bit differently. It seems that most advice calls for about 300 bbs at each limit. If you earn enough at 2/4 to be able to stake $1800 at 3/6, then move up. Now, what size roll are you willing to put into play in any one session? 30, 50,100 bbs?? Let’s go with 30, one tenth of your total br. Here’s my question. What do you think about rolling that 30bb stake up to the next limit as soon as you reach 30bbs for that next limit. So, you start your session with $120 at 2/4 and you move up to 3/6 if you get your session’s stake up to $180. You go immediately to 5/10 if you get it to $300, etc.? Next question, if you do go this way do you drop back in limit if your roll shrinks down to previous level? Eg. You’ve gotten to 5/10 with a $300 stack. You lose down to $180. Do you now drop back to a 3/6 or stay at 5/10? One place I see where you could change limits this quickly would be the on-line sites, but even in regular card-rooms you could handle it as one continuous session. You leave the room today playing 5/10 and that’s where you pick up next trip, right where you left off. Seems to me you get a chance to roll up pretty quickly if you’re running well and are only investing about 10% of your total bankroll to take that shot. Thoughts? 

 Answer 1:

I think your effective bankroll would be too small to stand the normal fluctuations that occur. For example: “…if you do go this way do you drop back in limit if your roll shrinks down to previous level? Eg, you’ve gotten to 5/10 with a $300 stack.  You lose down to $180. Do you now drop back to a 3/6 or stay at 5/10?”  Effectively, if you drop back down, your bankroll at risk was only $120 or 12 big bets.  Hardly workable. Even $300 or 30 big bets is not enough to stand normal fluctuations. If you want to take a shot now and then, OK.  But my limited experience tells me that if you want to play continuously at a level, you better have the 250-300 bbs. 

Answer 2:

I don’t think changing limits in the middle of a session is a profitable idea…and $300. Isn’t really a sufficient amount to play 5-10 in my opinion?  If I get into a 3-6 game and am running good I stay. Last week I was playing 3-6 for three hours and was up $270 when my name was called for the 5-10(my usual limit).  I declined and ended up with my largest ever 3-6 sessions win…a little over $600. I guess I feel that if you are having a good run at a table, no matter what the limit, you really shouldn’t change in the middle of a session.  I think you need to base your decision on the long run. Play 3-6, and when you feel confident about your game move up to 4-8, and so forth.  Your bankroll is going to take a lot of fluctuations if you start hopping around and joining 5-10 tables with $300. Just because you won $120. At 3-6. 

Answer 3:

I see what you’re saying here – kind of like “letting it ride” in hopes of turning a small initial investment into a big score. However, if you win a bunch at a certain limit, ask yourself if your win is due to good luck or poor play by other players. If you find a nice soft game, particularly when bad players keep buying in, realize you’re giving up a lot of potential profit to chase that big score. Of course, if you can see the higher limit game looks just as juicy, why not. Realize that looks can be deceiving, sometimes a 10-20 game that looks loose for a short period of time can still be populated by a table full of very good players (probably with one or two soft players encouraging the action).

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Today it was the second day of live racing and it as very difficult to maintain 10-20 or 15-30 hold-em, lots of walking. Out of Towner’s are complaining about the 9 player tables, $4 rake and no comps, most importantly they are not coming back. Without the out of town traffic the higher limits seem to be harder to sustain. I have seen the house put house players in the game to get the games started, I like this very much. I still believe they should have props, and the higher limits would be the biggest beneficiary. FYI to Canterbury, you rake more from the higher games it is in your best interest to keep them healthy.

Answer 1:

The $4 rake in a $10/$20 and up game is not unreasonable and very beatable by a good player. However, what is their logic for a 9 player table? This sounds like a stupid rule that hurts the house as well as the players.

Answer 2:

The rake is the same for 2-4 as it is for 15-30 ($4). Actually, since the lower limit games are raked at 10% instead of 5%, and also add a $1 jackpot charge that the large games don’t pay because they aren’t jackpot eligible, I’d say that the rake in the big games is very reasonable. The house makes just as much from a juicy 2-4 game as a 15-30 game (if they can keep it moving). I wouldn’t worry much about the out-of-towners. If they want to play Casino poker, there is nothing better for hundreds of miles in any direction. The casinos in Iowa generally only have 1 or 2 big games going (if that), and the Dakotas have nothing big that I know of this side of Deadwood. Chicago’s rakes are higher. Seems to me that Canterbury is the best deal around.

Answer 3:

Paying $4 dollars a hand at 15-30 or any medium limit game is robbery. In L.A. we pay 12 dollars an hour and where I live in Arizona the most we ever pay is 10 per hour. Figure this on a yearly basis and you will see a huge difference.